Devuan bug report logs - #294
task-kde-desktop silently pulls in unattended-upgrades

Package: tasksel; Reported by: Olaf Meeuwissen <paddy-hack@member.fsf.org>;
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 11:33:01 UTC;
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From: Olaf Meeuwissen <paddy-hack@member.fsf.org>
To: submit@bugs.devuan.org
Subject: task-kde-desktop silently pulls in unattended-upgrades
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:23:48 +0900

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Package: tasksel
Version: 3.48+devuan1

This came up on the mailing list[1] and Katolaz asked if I could submit
a bug report against this package so it would not be forgotten.

 [1]: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20190214.170424.6845e4be.en.html

The general consensus on the mailing list was that unattended-upgrades
should not "slip in a standard Devuan install unnoticed".

On the mailing list I provided details based on ASCII but I figured it
would be more useful to look at beowulf.  The following is based on an
up-to-date (2019-02-17) Docker image[2].

 [2]: docker pull registry.gitlab.com/paddy-hack/devuan/slim:beowulf

First off, I must say that the approach I used on the mailing list is
flawed.  It does not handle the case of alternatives correctly as it
chases down dependency relations for *all* listed alternatives.  This
leads to false positives.

# All desktop tasks listed all desktop tasks as their dependencies in
# the case Recommends: are allowed :-/

So I followed a slightly different approach and did dry-run installs in
my devuan/slim:beowulf Docker image.

After installing tasksel, I ran

  tasksel --list-tasks \
    | awk '$2 ~ /desktop/ { print $2 }' \
    | while read task; do
        package=$(tasksel --task-packages $task)
        apt-get --dry-run install --install-recommends \
                $package > $package.install-recommends-dry-run
      done
  grep -l unattended-upgrades *.install-recommends-dry-run

That yielded

  task-kde-desktop.install-recommends-dry-run

So the KDE desktop task is the only supported Devuan desktop tasks that
would "slip in unattended-upgrades unnoticed".

I've attached the output of

  apt-cache depends --recurse --no-suggests --no-conflicts --no-breaks \
            --no-enhances --no-replaces task-kde-desktop

so you check for yourself but unattended-upgrades gets pulled in via a
rather complex dependency chain that may not be easy to break :-/

# Much, much more so with beowulf than in ascii.

I think the easiest way to get out of this "mess" is to downgrade the
dependency on unattended-upgrades from a Recommends: to a Suggests: in
python3-software-properties.

Hope this helps,
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 13:34:55 +0100
From: Mark Hindley <mark@hindley.org.uk>
To: Olaf Meeuwissen <paddy-hack@member.fsf.org>
Subject: Re: task-kde-desktop silently pulls in unattended-upgrades

Olaf,

I am doing some work on tasksel for beowulf and saw this bug.
It still appears to be present.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 08:23:48PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> I think the easiest way to get out of this "mess" is to downgrade the
> dependency on unattended-upgrades from a Recommends: to a Suggests: in
> python3-software-properties.

The problem with that is we don't currently fork that pacakge.

The other way might be to not include apper. I don't use KDE myself and have no
idea if that would be more of a problem? Do you use the desktop?

Best wishes

Mark





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From: Olaf Meeuwissen <paddy-hack@member.fsf.org>
To: Mark Hindley <mark@hindley.org.uk>
Subject: Re: task-kde-desktop silently pulls in unattended-upgrades
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:36:30 +0900

Hi Mark,

Sorry for the belated follow-up.  I've been travelling.

Mark Hindley writes:

> Olaf,
>
> I am doing some work on tasksel for beowulf and saw this bug.
> It still appears to be present.
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 08:23:48PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
>> I think the easiest way to get out of this "mess" is to downgrade the
>> dependency on unattended-upgrades from a Recommends: to a Suggests: in
>> python3-software-properties.
>
> The problem with that is we don't currently fork that pacakge.
>
> The other way might be to not include apper. I don't use KDE myself and have no
> idea if that would be more of a problem? Do you use the desktop?

I don't use KDE myself.

If downgrading the apper Recommends: to a Suggests: on task-kde-desktop
prevents pulling in unattended-upgrades, I guess that would be fine.
Users that want apper can always install it later themselves.

It's just that doing it on python3-software-properties would be less of
an issue for users of apper.  Of course, if apper provides some optional
functionality that relies on unattended-upgrades that users want, they'd
be in a similar boat and need to install that themselves.

Anyway, forking python3-software-properties just to change an optional
dependency is probably overkill.

Hope this helps,
--
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