Devuan bug report logs - #481
gparted-1.0.0-0.1 comes with dependencies for systemd components

Package: gparted; Maintainer for gparted is (unknown); Source for gparted is src:gparted.

Reported by: Klaus Ethgen <Klaus@Ethgen.de>

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 08:18:02 UTC

Severity: normal

Tags: debian

Found in version 1.0.0-0.1

Forwarded to https://bugs.debian.org/962214

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Hi Mark,

Am Mi den  3. Jun 2020 um 12:53 schrieb Mark Hindley:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 12:44:06PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > > Well you were trying to install gparted and that does require logind
> > > functionality so you do want it and would use it, if only indirectly.
> > 
> > Thats exactly the problem, it doesn't. That is a weak dependency that
> > should at most be recommended. That how it worked with earlier versions
> > too. That dependency for logind is just artefactual and not really
> > needed.
> 
> OK. That is fine. I understand better. However, gparted is not a forked package
> and Devuan uses Debian's packages directly. If you want them to reconsider that
> decision, please would report the issue directly to Debian's BTS.

That is exactly the problem. Debian is not willing to fix that
dependencies. I had that with many packages right now (libvirt for
example where I rebuild my own package without that poison
dependencies). I assume that they add this dependencies fully
intentional to force systemd more widely.

Keep in mind that it is still possible to drive a debian system without
systemd. But this dependencies makes it hard and harder to do so. There
are people in Debian that I know of (namely Michael Biebl, but not the
only one) who try to do everything that is possible to drop
compatibility with other init systems.

> Could you submit a new report for that against libelogind0, please?

Already done.

Regards
   Klaus
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Klaus Ethgen                                       http://www.ethgen.ch/
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Devuan bug report logs - #481 gparted-1.0.0-0.1 comes with dependencies for systemd components

Devuan bug report logs - #481
gparted-1.0.0-0.1 comes with dependencies for systemd components