From unknown Thu Mar 28 20:25:11 2024 Received: (at 496) by bugs.devuan.org; 29 Apr 2021 01:00:01 +0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: devuanbugs@dyne.org Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for (single-drop); Thu, 29 Apr 2021 01:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62149F60877 for <496@bugs.devuan.org>; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:55:58 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net header.i=@gregn.net header.b="f00Bn/m2"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:722b:8ced:3454:5512:ab43:8d03]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DF2D70C; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1619657763; bh=whacHDR0yqCmPPlWzeiSPg8YiraLgaSxmCePZGKiTGQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=f00Bn/m2eZm0QJiU/hZ+R/a78E58EXjLJ0yhhll23hCrwxsNQJ/S7UZXic0Nx2GHj /lucUvPapkFSjgd3i9qc+RKcDoVRlfo96YkSkWc9cj6ONvj6I8bsHQ6MG+qjVloQJA uiWFV/XSXXrwsNzhV8hQEn4lwSo+OVXMEGF5vjVcALb7cTwvdDg7WLsUCd/BLi7uvf Kx9aeeLqxVzlgwyQY8XjBBXdzIrLwQNm9M3vGRx40PvH2SCBkZ12BAp77Ye6RfCqmF 6aT6s8sXkhzzvbRdoxE1Grp4E12aZCfHmFOvRw8Vj5W5axRUle4BJ++qdyJWiFRBPJ gMXReqNir8zLg== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lbuy8-00017l-Ch; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:55:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:55:52 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak To: Arne Wichmann Cc: 496@bugs.devuan.org Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <20210429005552.GA3735@gregn.net> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <20210426113741.GA8083@anhrefn.saar.de> <20210427021227.GA8134@gregn.net> <20210428082658.GC23974@anhrefn.saar.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210428082658.GC23974@anhrefn.saar.de> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Hello. On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:26:58AM +0200, Arne Wichmann wrote: > begin quotation from Gregory Nowak (in <20210427021227.GA8134@gregn.net>): > > 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who > > do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the > > GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation. Last time > > I checked, the situation in debian was opposite, fresh installs > > have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console. > > > This feels like a good solution to me. As far as I can see text-based > interfaces are easier for vision-impaired people. But I am no expert on > this. No, not necessarily. There are plenty of people who prefer to arrow and tab through an interface, rather than typing commands. Also, I'm starting to get confused myself, so let me clarify the situation. If pulseaudio is running as is the case in debian, or if debian-pulseaudio-config-override is installed in devuan, users will have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console. If debian-pulseaudio-config-override isn't installed, and pulseaudio isn't running in devuan, users will have speech at the text console, but not at the GUI. > I would further propose to open a bug at the installer to address the point > you just made. I'm not sure I follow. Yes, we can modify the installer so that if an accessible install is chosen by typing s at the boot prompt, the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package will not be installed when installing a desktop environment. However, this would still require forking speech-dispatcher to give users speech at the text and GUI consoles out of the box after a fresh install. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org