Received: (at 99-close) by bugs.devuan.org; 27 Jul 2020 00:10:07 +0000 Return-Path: <greg@gregn.net> Delivered-To: devuanbugs@dyne.org Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F4117F606F8 for <99-close@bugs.devuan.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 01:58:27 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net header.i=@gregn.net header.b="jZ9KxdOo"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:d:6c5:2c04:686:7d89:4b3c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB1C5E6F for <99-close@bugs.devuan.org>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:58:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1595807908; bh=k5SKOH1+++G2y+LtmiVGruPZmEjCH72ySFozAeKs8Ko=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=jZ9KxdOoHbLysbukixAgZ1hp0xY8FWyo1SP1cYZ+xj35lCab/7+pNNZkIFwiN/qaq RpZZ7IuI6LHSrAnLX4sgC0SDoWmdP7yTFCwUdMeKqwvUwI8qwbZPXaZmZJhpYSjc6w FJ/a/tRFO/Fgc2khEkZSeSND9unZuNQNUXgiwiUnt27ntq7GShK22wiOCbwNinBk8D rRN3YOuS1MY/oE4abjk0oWZZHlJ07cMkVPHUm7LE9GJzUsxj4EQqyuJoAF+LH2lXTp xD/EaAN8N7B+uK1WNBCYcmp9UNAZ0PJ278KtFyGwVISLf8ZuC22lsivNjgaVyjVmsK 0ZLAG9HBmNLRw== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <greg@gregn.net>) id 1jzqWp-0001Hk-O8 for 99-close@bugs.devuan.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:58:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:58:03 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <greg@gregn.net> To: 99-close@bugs.devuan.org Subject: closing bug, pending issues in separate bugs Message-ID: <20200726235803.GA4911@gregn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.3 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Accessibility in devuan has come a long way since the 1.0 release. The packages necessary for an installed devuan system to be accessible are part of the installed system as of devuan 3.0. The issues still outstanding are bugs 494 and 496. Given all of this, I am closing bug 99; it has served its purpose.
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Full text available.Received: (at 99) by bugs.devuan.org; 26 Mar 2020 04:00:02 +0000 Return-Path: <greg@gregn.net> Delivered-To: devuanbugs@dyne.org Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Thu, 26 Mar 2020 04:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FBD6F60BBD for <99@bugs.devuan.org>; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 04:49:37 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net header.i=@gregn.net header.b="VdVw25Qx"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [172.58.38.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99A61239A for <99@bugs.devuan.org>; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:50:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1585194647; bh=gasPk/LgibR/rCq890mH4uleE6UabWoA4+V13EH3hIg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=VdVw25Qxk5gj8fgqcgngxcvCXCmREeFo0tNVYGC+6uWM1ZbYrQOiMTvJBvQCCsJqy qZ9HmHzSZGnGuEGROooq9KrDiVLM1iANU7taThYnIdTmObx8nseCUjW1IDSAeL1eVL A59XTF2gP3eiqRif0gmFtoVcrRtpSGbBQqj9Ip8+z2rpBbCzH6Nsyds0nl7TIp1DuN F8CxzUTyPL2W637TEdeMNG0a3SRWsOwtOuaaRSu/hRN+u9qdwvdS1PQOVwCKsIschA pHzllUKDUDW3GQZwhymY5+yojqWd6TDrn5adwq0mKKI9D+/hUJ0XyVh8PqQsOfU1pG XnTPxWvqZ/dVA== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <greg@gregn.net>) id 1jHJWF-0001bF-OJ for 99@bugs.devuan.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:49:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:49:23 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <greg@gregn.net> To: 99@bugs.devuan.org Subject: Re: bug#99: Acknowledgement (devuan-installer: the installed devuan system is not fully accessible) Message-ID: <20200326034923.GA6093@gregn.net> References: <20170603023622.3689.66246.reportbug@acer1.gregn.net> <handler.99.B.149645760715284.ack@bugs.devuan.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <handler.99.B.149645760715284.ack@bugs.devuan.org> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.2 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org I'm updating this bug as promised. I'm leaving out the promised log file though, since I figured out a solution to the first issue, and Mark provided the solution to the second lightdm issue in the dng thread I linked to previously. 1. The first issue was that orca didn't speak on the lightdm login screen on a fresh install, but does speak on my regular install which is Ascii upgraded to Beowulf. In the fresh install, on a hunch, I ran: apt-get purge lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter That removed lightdm, lightdm-gtk-greeter, and task-mate-desktop. It also brought in some xterm packages. I than ran: apt-get install lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter task-mate-desktop which installed those three packages, and removed the xterm packages which were installed when I purged the lightdm packages earlier. I than rebooted, and got speech from orca at the login screen. I won't pretend to know why purging the lightdm packages and installing them again works. Oh, I almost forgot. In order for orca to speak at the lightdm login screen, the user lightdm needs to be added to the audio group, which it isn't on a fresh install right now. 2. The other issue is that after logging in from lightdm, orca didn't come up, and couldn't connect to accessibility bus errors were logged. The solution Mark pointed to is to set xserver-share=false in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. I think that does it for the lightdm issues.
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Full text available.Received: (at 99) by bugs.devuan.org; 25 Mar 2020 23:00:02 +0000 Return-Path: <greg@gregn.net> Delivered-To: devuanbugs@dyne.org Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C868F60B42 for <99@bugs.devuan.org>; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:49:20 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net header.i=@gregn.net header.b="0DVfbCih"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:a686:c07f:a00:27ff:fe01:8e92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4EF6C239A for <99@bugs.devuan.org>; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:50:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1585176629; bh=RlTqinlLTh4s2tkPVxbBFbG6HONS8p79x+XiZLLzVRw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=0DVfbCihk22+WViTYYr+Ffn6pJd35zBtYENDHPq++5cFBiiRpj6FXzBCi6DsGWrOy sJW7JDf6vdAoFyh2LvqNN9Zv2xvTQEJCxpCTObWL1yl/ejuyWC/BGAh/EOW7MM8ZQr zAo1P9iiwCpDZKAGcAmkaFGkgAvNq4Si3eWCW64LZHRJG0f7ZZuU79svSSTxlToyBn x+CPXcSAnuJYs4tO+61L5K1UXZY11xce9GDg07YeZMmv0ILr5xlz5Grsnf1F2XQquC eE5Y+Y22D+CS2OBNUSiqrzKlqtr7Tj750ROR1ADMJ0G0WHxIoRK+y4qAIOA+JzC+Fc /xppOI9I4Hqgw== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <greg@gregn.net>) id 1jHEpo-00011a-BK for 99@bugs.devuan.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:49:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:49:16 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <greg@gregn.net> To: 99@bugs.devuan.org Subject: Re: bug#99: Acknowledgement (devuan-installer: the installed devuan system is not fully accessible) Message-ID: <20200325224916.GA3824@gregn.net> References: <20170603023622.3689.66246.reportbug@acer1.gregn.net> <handler.99.B.149645760715284.ack@bugs.devuan.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <handler.99.B.149645760715284.ack@bugs.devuan.org> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.2 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Here's an update on Beowulf. Thanks first of all for bringing back the PC speaker beep for the boot menu in the Beowulf netinst iso. I thought lightdm wouldn't be a long term option, since in the original gitlab discussion this bug was migrated from centurian Dan had indicated that lightdm wouldn't be a long term option. I'm glad to see that lightdm is still available in Beowulf. I'm also glad to see the mate desktop in Beowulf is installed with lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter by default. That's the good news, now for the bad news. 1. There are problems when attempting to do a Beowulf install with speech in a VirtualBox guest. On one of my machines, the guest crashed totally. I don't know what was on the screen, the guest just became unresponsive to attempted keyboard input when I started the install with speech using the "s" option from the boot menu, and after I attempted to set speakup volume and rate. On another guest, only the software speech died, and I was still able to activate a hardware synthesizer, and do the install that way. The good news is that this seems to be a problem in debian as well: <http://linux-speakup.org/pipermail/speakup/2020-March/062176.html> So, this should be resolved once it is fixed upstream. There is a patch which might fix this being backported to the 4.19.x kernels: <http://linux-speakup.org/pipermail/speakup/2020-March/062166.html> 2. The other issue is still with lightdm, and this is a two part issue. The first part is that after a fresh Beowulf install, orca doesn't speak at the login screen. It seems that orca has trouble initializing. I don't have access to the machine where I did the install, so I'll reply again with the log file. On my regular install, which is a minimal Ascii install upgraded to Beowulf, orca does in fact talk at the login screen. I'm still trying to track down why it works on my upgraded regular install, but doesn't work on a fresh one. Like I said, I'll reply again with a log file when I have access to that machine in a few hours. The second problem with orca not speaking is after loging in through lightdm a "couldn't register with accessibility bus" message appears in $HOME/.xsession-errors. This means that orca also can't register with the accessibility bus, so there is no speech in the GUI. When running startx by hand, orca does in fact come up, and works just fine. I started a thread to try to work out a solution to the problem at: <https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20200325.043908.484afc83.en.html> That's all for now. I'm glad to see that progress is being made with accessibility in Beowulf. I'll be back with the orca not starting in lightdm log file I mentioned earlier.
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Full text available.Received: (at 99) by bugs.devuan.org; 17 Jan 2020 13:00:01 +0000 Return-Path: <mark@hindley.org.uk> Delivered-To: devuanbugs@dyne.org Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Fri, 17 Jan 2020 13:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.hindley.org.uk (mohindley.plus.com [81.174.245.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC9D4F60A43 for <99@bugs.devuan.org>; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 13:51:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from apollo.hindleynet ([192.168.1.3] helo=apollo) by mx.hindley.org.uk with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mark@hindley.org.uk>) id 1isR6K-000743-7P for 99@bugs.devuan.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:51:48 +0000 Received: from mark by apollo with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mark@hindley.org.uk>) id 1isR6I-0001GH-TP for 99@bugs.devuan.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:51:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:51:46 +0000 From: Mark Hindley <mark@hindley.org.uk> To: 99@bugs.devuan.org Subject: Re: devuan-installer: the installed devuan system is not fully accessible Message-ID: <20200117125146.GA4821@hindley.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Debbugs-No-Ack: No Thanks User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_REPLY_C,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Gregory, We are preparing the release of beowulf. This is an important issue as far as I am concerned. You said you thought lightdm would not still be an option in the future. It certainly is in beowulf. Is this still an unresolved issue? Thanks. Mark
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by bugs.devuan.org; 3 Jun 2017 02:40:07 +0000 Return-Path: <greg@gregn.net> Delivered-To: devuanbugs@dyne.org Received: from mail.dyne.org [178.62.188.7] by fulcanelli with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.26) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Sat, 03 Jun 2017 04:40:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tupac2.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25AED18EBD7 for <submit@bugs.devuan.org>; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 02:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: tupac2.dyne.org; dkim=pass reason="2048-bit key; unprotected key" header.d=gregn.net header.i=@gregn.net header.b=dIsO2SfN; dkim-adsp=pass; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from acer1.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:d:6c5:ba88:e3ff:fe4f:939]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1570D19C5; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 19:36:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1496457412; bh=6fZxSyN+CvHBC3+feYNemMPLPnZJUxW7xKJJUyH0CtE=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=dIsO2SfNUiKO7f59Meg+zg5Iel/QanoE+d2WJn/3w05MV25t7XAZr7vvow5MWnofF Z24hvEEdr3rw3umLKBpn8RaAM0+mW8iwMzenm082LeaE2eqdQEOkkVbGibqKGSijr8 oSleTRqg4ziJKb2hdXmipQVNmfqCFqRlY9B2651xwKQ/jO3W5mnQGmhMa269rJpl3i wJ0GxtUSU48d5GncywM6z04tl/Qixkb4h+Oni0uCoi7lifRmGUB5r8TIvzPnuXgtzG Gy3CBb9HKyZb7WcSukJBsdMqW8X5fWuKUGCXbIfjUkFZQ6OgamhiUt1o/SMYXifSaY 2U6gOsdqTDgAw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gregory Nowak <greg@gregn.net> To: Devuan Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.devuan.org> Subject: devuan-installer: the installed devuan system is not fully accessible Message-ID: <20170603023622.3689.66246.reportbug@acer1.gregn.net> X-Mailer: reportbug 6.6.3+devuan1.3 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 19:36:22 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on tupac2 Package: devuan-installer Severity: important Dear Maintainer, this is a migration of: <https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/Installer_Feedback/issues/3> When the option to install with speech synthesis is chosen by pressing s and enter at the boot prompt, the resulting installed system isn't fully accessible if the user chose to install using the default devuan desktop environment. Specifically, because the default session manager is slim, the orca screen reader doesn't activate at the GUI login screen. This is true on both i386, and amd64. Installing lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter is still a useable option in jessie, but I understand that will not be the case in the future. The only other solution in this +case for now is for the user to run startx by hand to get a GUI console. Another option is to login without speech using slim, once a sighted person has described the login screen, and the blind user has a routine worked out which key strokes to enter, and when in that routine to type in the user name and password. This solution is not ideal, since it requires assistance initially. -- System Information: Distributor ID: Devuan Description: Devuan GNU/Linux 1.0 (jessie) Release: 1.0 Codename: jessie Architecture: x86_64 Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Init: sysvinit (via /sbin/init)
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